Pmhnp saturation reddit Speaking as a pmhnp in a restricted state with several years inpatient psych experience prior to NP, the market I'm in is so saturated with FNPs getting psych certs, the starting pay is abysmal for the amount of stress and liability compared to working as an RN. It’s not just the postgrad FNPs either. I should graduate in 2 years if all goes according to plan. Honestly reading about the saturation and then how under-prepared some of these schools are graduating people scares me. The best place on Reddit for admissions advice. Crabs in a bucket. I worked PRN for 9 months on an inpatient psych unit prior to starting as a PMHNP (prior to that, 3 years in ICU), and I felt prepared going into the PMHMP role. This happened to the pharmacy profession a few years back and it’s happening to us. Jobs are plentiful in my area. I feel like even just three years ago, I barely heard of anyone getting their PMHNP. /r/immigration is protesting Reddit's API changes. if you do take it make sure you negotiate the f out of your starting salary bc they barely give a "raise". How long do PMHNP’s have before it’s like the FNP market today. School shaming as gate keeping is becoming rampant in this Reddit. Make yourself as marketable as possible. Bringing a new PMHNP onto the team is expensive and time consuming. I just started the PMHNP program but can speak to financials in Tacoma WA (30 miles from Seattle). We all know about saturation of Nurse Practitioners d/t many reasons. Look at various fields of physicians such as radiation oncology, which has a terrible job market now due to excess graduates. Of course this will vary depending on the saturation of your local area. No saturation just yet, and I don't see saturation happening anytime soon. Market saturation is occurring. they try to sell you with all the PTO but working for a non profit hospital is not it unless you're already rich and bored with life lol As long as there is a need, then over saturation shouldn’t be an issue with regard to access to care. PMHNP is by far the highest growth cert. Now the quality of care and the salary are another question. I am looking to pursue higher education and become a PMHNP- My dream was always to attend grad school and get my MSN to be a PMHNP, but many local programs (I live on the West Coast) have converted to DNP only. Cuz of over saturation it’s so hard to get a job that pays more than an experienced RN. Feb 1, 2021. I think some saturation will occur in the next 5-10 years, but usually first group of people impacted are new grads and those with subpar qualifications. Majority of the jobs in my area require experience these days (that absolutely was not the case 5 years ago). I'm not saying this applies to you, but it does apply to many people in this sub. After 3+ years being a PMHNP I no longer have any desire to get a DNP. Started out at $160k 4 years ago. Saturation levels are market dependent but the continued myth that PMHNPs are in huge demand everywhere because of the psychiatrist shortage needs to stop spreading. PMHNP school is, i think, the smarter route to go but my heart at the moment is saying med school. Can anyone speak to PMHNP saturation in PA, particularly central PA? Getting a little worried; I've been a nurse for a decade, most of that in psych. Was browsing reddit and stumbled across a lot of PMHNP's having a hard time finding decent employment. I’m currently in the process of transferring to a reputable university to continue the rest of my journey of becoming a PMHNP. I wasn’t aware of the concept of diploma mills until I learned of them on Reddit. It's tough to comment on your school acceptance rationale, without more information, but in general good bricks 'n' mortar schools accept based on merit alone. Additionally, psych nursing is not difficult to get the hang of. I wouldn't call it over-saturated but it's definitely more saturated than before. Hard to say what the future will hold. 107 votes, 222 comments. There can be over-saturation but you have the experience that puts you beyond that. If you want to get your PMHNP degree, I suggest you go to a reputable brick and mortar school - the program you attend does make a difference when you start applying to jobs. It's disgusting. Saturation in Indiana is REAL. I’m in Indianapolis. Like CRNA, PMHNP is a specialized field within nursing and should be treated as such. That's a call you'll have to make. Currently have PNP working at an autism center doing med management (basically PMHNP) and they pay around 130k. Salaries have dropped significantly over the last 3. I'm at an outpatient clinic, salary is $150k a year, $10k sign-on bonus (paid out in 3 installments over 3 months) when I hit 75% of the other provider patient volumes, $10k 2-year retention bonus (paid out in 3 installments over 3 months). true. reddit's new API changes kill third party apps that offer accessibility features, mod tools, and other features not found in the first party app. The hardest specialties for me to recruit are cardiology and GI. Western state a couple hundred miles from the coast. Your lifetime excess income for going into PMHNP will be ~3. Can anyone give some insight into the current job market, salaries, and future outlook. Let's look at the ANCC PMHNP data for context. We are not going to burn out in 2 years or less, like those who are going to diploma mills or those who see PMHNP as a cash cow. Post any questions you have, there are lots of redditors with admissions knowledge waiting to help. Literally everywhere I go in my university when I talk to new people they’re always majoring in nursing but specifically say their end goal is to be nurse practitioner (they say because of the pay and the ease of it compared to being a MD) I’m not a nursing person or healthcare but there’s been a huge increase in people recently wanting to be nurse practitioners, even my brother and I’m currently enrolled in the University of Cincinnati’s online PMHNP program. I have been planning on applying to Cal State Long Beach for my PMHNP in a couple years. There are new psychiatric units and mobile treatment programs opening up in New York as an initiative to expand psych services, so there's going to be a bigger demand for PMHNPs. While CRNA is more my style, I could also be happy being a PMHNP. lmao keep saying this bro, you're attracting the shittiest possible candidates who are chasing paper. A place to discuss US and Worldwide immigration news, politics, visas, green cards, raids, deportations, etc. but simply can not due to man power. Also, experience trumps degree. The step-down ICU I work for is a hybrid between that and a psych floor-- we get all the psych patients, as our hospital doesn't have a designated psych floor. The workload was awful, the market was horribly oversaturated in my hometown, the pay is mediocre (and declining, owing to the saturation), and I felt completely unprepared by my program. PMHNP. With all the unhappiness in the current Cerner culture and the sickening feeling of laying people off, doesnt it make sense to… With your experience you really shouldn’t have a problem getting another job in a bigger area. I chose a reputable school and I'm even starting to regret my choice coming into my last semester due to saturation and seeing offers that are poor with horrible benefits. Welcome to the Business Analysis Hub. You can't control people going to diploma mills and entering the field without any psych interest or experience, but you can control how your resume will look. The diploma mill situation is a disaster. They will probably find employment, but the saturation will eventually drive down wages (it’s already happening in some markets) and make people desperate enough to take these crazy jobs requiring them to see 20+ patients a day and completely sacrifice quality. While doing clinicals for my PMHNP program, I slowly realized how much I didn't want to be a PMHNP. 5 years all over the The profession is heading to over saturation with the glut of PMHNP graduates who had ZERO RN experience, from brick and mortar and diploma mills. I live in TN and my goal was Vanderbilt but the more and more I read, I just want to figure out how to find a program that will more than adequately prepare me for practice and that will also help me find a preceptor. They are also 3+ years long, and I am looking to work part time while attending school. Reading all the information on them, I am horrified. Over-saturation is not how I'd characterize our field, but maybe it depends on where you are, and what population you are serving. The program I am in will allow me to switch. 4) Your resume isn't competitive. These 10 reasons why the PMHNP field won’t be saturated anytime soon presented here should show you that your career as a PMHNP is not only secure but also fulfilling. It is a whole new way of thinking, communicating and even vocabulary. More and more jobs are looking for 1-2 years of experience, but when I was a new grad, I had PMHNP jobs that require 1-2 years of experience opened up to me because of my psych RN experience and my knowledge about psychiatric medications. 💡 Practical tips and techniques to sharpen your analytical skills. It’s also disheartening to hear about how this (and other factors) have led to the over saturation in the market for PMHNPs. In my area, PMHNP salaries are increasing. Most of the PMHNP gigs today, especially the high-paying ones, are all medication management. On 1/28/2021 at 8:37 AM, Jeana18 said: we are not allowed under law to train with other NPs. 48 million. I do however work with and recruit providers for our hospital. I didn’t have psych experience and am a newbie grad PMHNP. clinical practice might be the most attractive, but isn't the only job available. A lot of would-be pharmacists got screwed looking at BLS alone (there are other forces at play for the pharmacist saturation). On one hand you have doctors down playing the legitimacy of PMHNP’s on the other you have PMHNP’s disparaging students only looking to further their education. Both want to maintain privileges. I do think PA has a higher chance of being financially worth it compared to PMHNP with where you're currently at. 3) Saturation is starting to occur, but this is mostly in desirable areas to live like major cities. I am thinking about applying for university of Pennsylvania ‘s PMNHP program but it’s very expensive. Reddit suggested this post to me, so I clicked on it, but I am not an NP. I have not started my concentration specific courses so as long as I move from FNP to PMHNP prior to next semester I am still on track for the same graduation date (May of 18) and it will still continue to be paid as long as I stay in the DNP. 10 votes, 26 comments. I think the PMHNP role will be more challenging without psych experience as an RN, but still doable. PMHNP income could be more or less than that, and PMHNPs might burn out before that 30 years. Most CRNA schools require at least a couple years of ICU/critical care before applying and have specific exclusion criteria, like ED experience not counting. faculty have already been supportive of me and willing to answer tough questions about their graduation rates, top concerns students have expressed and how they are working on them all during the interview process. Lauren Jacobson MS, RN, WHNP-BC Lauren Jacobson is a registered nurse and women’s health nurse practitioner who is passionate about global health and gender-based violence Feb 19, 2024 · Being a PMHNP may have a different training but at the end of the day I can still diagnose, prescribe, and treat patients more than I can as a RN. The Reddit Law School Admissions Forum. number of PMHNP's has tripled since 2018 and its only going up, up, up! Reply reply sully9088 I am applying for PMHNP school this upcoming cycle. Hey guys, I am interested in applying for a PMHNP program. I’m starting to get discouraged - jobs are few and far between, and the PMHNP pay ranges anywhere between $40/hr to $80/hr. Check out the sidebar for intro guides. What's interesting is that according to BLS data, overall NP salaries are increasing every year. For context, AANP just reported that ~100 new PMHNP programs were created in the last 10 years, this compares to growth of 63 PharmD programs over 20 years (though there was also expansion in class size). terrible management and overload of work. Can't bring this up in other groups because it's seen as exclusionary and anybody fighting to have a great job with a good income going to diploma mill is going to be protective of their time and investment- they The cushion from saturation is going to come from psychiatrist shortage. I’ve also asked one psychiatrist at work and she said she thinks that it could get oversaturated in so-cal for pmhnp’s if providers keep moving here. If they don’t, what you are concerned about, saturation, will eventually happen. There are way more PMHNP grads than there ever were. Our friendly Reddit community is here to make the exciting field of business analysis accessible to everyone. It’s disgusting and it’s the perfect example of nurses eating their young. I am getting PMHNP now. You also have the option of performing skill check offs online as they still teach PMHNP students sutures etc. Quality and caliber of candidates can he determined by pre employment testing and previous experience. Just took a job for $125k. Your choices after graduation are staggering, ^ this. We do diagnostic evaluations, obviously, but extensive psychological testing such as neurocognitive assessment, personality assessment, and neuropsychological testing are outside of our scope are they're done by doctoral-prepared Yes I agree I’ve talk to a few CRNA out here all positive honestly and been my goal since high school At a glance NP seems enticing but most I’ve research and talk seem like work life balance isn’t great and pay isn’t that great considering the work life balance and that in SoCal NP seems to be saturated but wanted better opinion since I haven’t talk to that many and it’s like a 50 The Reddit Law School Admissions Forum. If you're strong an patho, pharm, and psychopharm you'll be a better PMHNP than the 15 year psych RN experienced nurse that has a poor pharmacologic foundation and relies on epocrates for every patient. However, when I worked in SNFs there is a huge need in that area for psych. If you're already making over $100k and/or you're older, these change the equation. The callousness that nurses don't need actual psych experience, and just switching for the pay. New grads will struggle in these areas far more than established NPs. As a member of our community, you'll enjoy: 📚 Easy-to-understand explanations of business analysis concepts, without the jargon. Community mental health is forever looking for providers. Of course, this assumes $200k income over 30 years. Inpatient jobs are near nonexistent. Jan 25, 2021 · Specializes in Psychiatric and Mental Health NP (PMHNP). If you're graduating in 2 years, there shouldn't be any issue. Seeing patients back to back for 6-8 hours straight can be very draining; (2) Liabilities; (3) Not seeing progress. Only 8 patients a day but that includes 4 new patients- and new autism evals take a long time. These are the PMHNP setting up clinics right after school, offering Ketamine, setting up ADHD clinics whatever the fuck that is. If you love to learn about psych then go for it but just know that job opportunities are getting worse every year PMHNP saturation will likely drop wages below the value of the degree within ten years and eventually the schlocky degree mill people will hurt enough people that scope of practice wilp be restricted. I am transitioning from FNP to PMHNP & it’s still hard. The lack of notice from Reddit, exorbitant pricing and terrible official apps are unacceptable. PMHNP will still pay more than being a social worker, but I don't know if I'd say all the added years would be financially worth it. I've also been in very dark places in my personal life, which gives me a better perspective. . If I had a do over, I would have taken a psych RN position at some point in my career. When do you honestly see the PMHNP market being saturated? In my own program half of the people are PMHNP students and many of them have no psychiatric nursing experience. My opinion is that DNP is a waste of money and time unless you want to go into academics and/or non-clinical roles. I feel like once I had at least 5 years I got way more call backs and now closer to 10, it’s not an issue. If you subtract opportunity cost of $120k. Saturation seems to be a huge theme, and people are struggling to find work in popular areas as a PMHNP it seems. We know the ups and downs of psych and continue to work in this specialty. I have a MSN and I had looked at DNP programs as a new grad PMHNP, but I just couldn't tolerate the curriculum (the fluff, theory, and projects). I work for the city on a mobile behavioral crisis unit and we’ve been desperately searching for an ARNP to help with a MAT program we want to start up. Telepsych also expanded ability to find jobs around the country and having the ability to open your own practice eliminates the need to be hired by someone else. From my PMHNP program half of my classmates are still working as RNs. The two issues I see regarding the field on Reddit are schools that don't adequately train providers, and graduates who struggle to get a good job. My question is, as a medical student entering psychiatry to become a psychiatrist, should I be worried about this saturation? IMO, no it will not be worth it in a few years, condering the cost of school / loans. I’m a psych nurse, currently working as supervisor in a crisis stabilization unit. I know other schools offer the program at a lower cost so I was wondering what school did you guys go to and does it matter what school you graduate from? The current job market is still good. No specific psych experience, I was a LVN/LPN for 5 years working in skilled nursing/rehab/inpatient post op step down unit and then 5 years RN exp a little in adult Neuro but mostly in NICU and some PEDS/L&D/Postpartum (as baby nurse) - got sick of inpatient, wanted some more work life balance, autonomy, exp in what I was never able to get as a kid RN as planned New York. I've been planning on going back to school for this, but I've looked several times over the last several weeks for these jobs on Indeed and there's alarmingly few. I’ve asked the unit director of the psych ward of my hospital and she seems very optimistic about the future of pmhnp’s. Psych meds don't fix everythingmost of my patients don't get better until they have stable housing and be able to maintain sobriety; (4) possibility of saturation due to large influx of grads from online NP programs. would not recommend taking a crc/any job at msk unless you really love and are interested in onc. not to mention there are getting to be more and more subspecialties and specialists (though some of those are beginning to saturate in some areas). I’ve definitely seen pay go down as well as increased market saturation. NP field should limit number of graduates. I feel that is really would have helped. I disagree. I'm super excited about my upcoming journey, and I want to make sure I'm doing everything I can to be the most successful provider. CSCareerQuestions protests in solidarity with the developers who made third party reddit apps. There are enough PMHNP where the larger online diploma mills now have a reputation for CONSISTENTLY churning out incompetent and costly new grads. I'm going to hold out for a good job and work as Sep 27, 2015 · Hi Jules, that is a great point about salary. Now I know a bunch who are going back. Don't get me wrong a job is a job and should pay, but if the only reason they are getting their PMHNP is because of the money then they'll be a disservice to all psych patients. I know this is an old thread, but could I message you for more info. Unfortunately, I’m in one of the schools that one would consider a diploma mill. eta: downvote but no response? Sorry that you don't like actual statistics? Psychotherapy training in PMHNP programs is very limited and superficial regardless of what school you go to. It’s great career comparable to a psychiatrist despite the “looming saturation”. There is a large number of people going PMHNP who have no psych experience and never had a genuine interest in psych because they are told it’s an open market and they will make As a fellow PMHNP student (graduating in 2023 bc I'm going part-time), I too have 10+ years of psych experience under my belt. However, from what I have seen in my 8 years of practice as a PMHNP, those who entered the profession for monetary gain w/o proper/subpar training or passion for the field Hi Optometry seems like a good profession but the debt to income ratio seems bad. khnd zcqbv gqzl itcafbp ucer efxf znpjew sexw kfvxe kacxk