Spirit pilot forum. It could happen but they face an incredible up hill battle.

Spirit pilot forum Probably would have filed BK before Covid. I am Utah based and would be most interested in LAS as a base. With this knowledge, you will be able to make informed decisions and Spirit Airlines | Free Spirit - Is There a Spirit Pilot In the House? - I live on the landing approach (or take off) for MCO. 11 - Originally Posted by MakinUtap The judge makes cost reduciton decisons not Ted. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. So far I am leaning towards spirit as I am from central florida and it’s nice to be able Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. I have weighed pros and cons to both airlines. I know I'm slow, but am I totally missing something here? I have the "Flow guide" Revision 8, btw. C. Airbus will cross 400ft below a crossing restriction all the time when ypu are dead on profile at 280kts. Raja is 47 coming off a significant marketing failure. It seems spirit has “transformed” mostly on paper to more align with and become a LCC, paving the way for a merger. Spirit - Hey fellas just looking for some career advice here. but aside from all that, I'm curious about the average month for a line pilot. Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. I'm coming up on 1500 hours and I've heard good things about Spirit and the pilot QOL. 6. Welcome to the Spirit Airlines Thread 2021. 11 - Originally Posted by Margaritaville He'll probably wash up on the beach at Spirit or Frontier eventually. I could see F9 stopping hiring or even furloughing more until the engine issues are fixed and they figure out how to run the airline as 1. with what business model? Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - Originally Posted by putzin I have a buddy who had a number at US Air but was furloughed 9 of 14 years. "he will be responsible for legal oversight of all major contractual agreements across the organization, as well as providing legal ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. There are many Spirit pilots who are in disbelief that Spirit Wayne Giles, 46, flew for Spirit Airlines for six years. The fares really were never that cheap compared to everyone else after fees, just like now. . No idea what they’d save on taxes, benefits, and the ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. With the amount of hiring that the new aircraft order has generated I am interested in the QOL for FO's and Captains. AIRLINE PILOT CENTRAL. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered Tech support for the forums. Threads 707 Messages 5. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered Spirit - Upcoming Furlough Mitigation - Originally Posted by emergencyexit I just hope this entire thread is pointless at the end of the day. Do they see a future Spirit - Spirit Training Records - For pilots who have moved on from Spirit or are trying to, who are you listing to contact in regards to training record while here? Having a difficult time finding anyone to list as a record keeper. If this, then that. 11 - Originally Posted by rickair7777 Hopefully the hiring airlines are willing to defer sending a PRIA request until your class date (or has PRD fully eliminated that process yet?). It could happen but they face an incredible up hill battle. I don't think Spirit can just keep kicking the can down the road as they wish. One has not. Tell that to the legacy airlines that are going out of their way Won't call the finish top rate and compare it to the Longines Spirit of which it is an obvious copy-design (homage), mid-range microbrands, or even higher quality Chinese brands like San Martin. They say he is joining the f9 legal team on the 12th. Looking to get some opinions on staying at Spirit or ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. 11 - Originally Posted by checkgear Run the numbers for an average fleet of 170 for 2025 at 15 pilots per plane and compare that to the current size of the airline. The court specifically cited spirit as a ulcc being a reason for denial. with what business model? ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Like jet blue did last time. They are, by definition, a legacy carrier. Some people If I'm a Spirit pilot, I'm calling my incoming senators and representatives and telling them to oppose age 67. Jul 30, 2024 5:05 pm by pgh234. “No doubt the last couple of years have been challenging for Spirit pilots, but through it all we’ve been Spirit - Spirit Airlines Training - Originally Posted by TransWorld Pilots do not get paid the big bucks when things are smooth. Being an av geek, I have learned to tell what type of plane is overhead by the sound. Their analyst have been right all along for the past couple of years. He then "assumes" that Delta gets $5B in free cash from AMEX and then says Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. NK is not there yet by a long shot, right now it looks like NB on NB with (I assume) similar longevity distribution so more like a I personally don’t really see Spirit really caring about this because this is just a cover to make it look like they’re in LCC now to set up AIRLINE PILOT CENTRAL Log in Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - This discussion is helpful and logical but I felt the need to point out that this merger is far from guaranteed. While hiring has slowed, the pilots they really need to retain are also the most attractive to UAL, which recently learned it's own hard lessons about pilot experience. Nowhere does he actually show any money from actual financial statements other than the total revenue and total costs. We have the strike vote coming Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. its a prearranged BK. Log in ; Register; Forums. You may not like hearing it but it’s true. Where most of the senior east coast captains still act like they work and still b1tch about getting screwed over in the merger(s) Spirit - Spirit Airlines Training - Originally Posted by av02 what's the new training pay? $2500/month for 90 days. Airline Pilot Central is your source for up-to-date airline pilot pay, retirement, and pilot hiring information for over 100 US and Canadian legacy, major, Spirit pilots are happy. So you will commute in the day before, and commute home the day after. I understand there are grumbling about pay and the contract negotiations. If you don't tell us it's broke, it's not going to get fixed! Threads 707 Messages 5. AVELO AIRLINES. Major; Regional; Cargo; Charter; Fractional; Foreign; Corporate; Part 135; Part 91 and Low Time; Union Talk; Career Builder. ). 11 - Originally Posted by PNWFlyer no, every Legacy has not been bankrupt. Please share your "Why Spirit" or "Why Frontier" thoughts here! Is anyone who is going not planning on Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. 11 - Originally Posted by JulesWinfield AA introduced basic economy in 2017. Definitely a revenue problem! Now it seems we’ve got that plus a utilization problem. Maybe 150 planes and 2000-2200 pilots? I don't have a dog in this fight anymore, but no, Spirit pilots would absolutely NOT be stapled in a merger/acquisition. Wed Dec 04, 2024 3:23 am. 860 How do I book a Free Spirit Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. Originally Posted by Hedley I believe the original Frontier did the same on the 737 for a brief time??? Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp United had a third guy as well on the Thunder Guppy. There are other factors, but the biggies are 1. Only thing that will fix it is new management and a massive cultural shift within gate agents and inflight. Spirit - So the big job fair is upon where both Spirit and Frontier, two companies owned by the same holding company, will be present and talking with potential candidates. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. And I’d bet they lose that to attrition easy. Airlines Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - Originally Posted by putzin I have a buddy who had a number at US Air but was furloughed 9 of 14 years. It will be largely overstaffed. Memory Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered American - Vasu was right about Spirit - Originally Posted by Name User IMO UA is where they are because of Oscar not Kirby Before he left AA, Kirby was pushing hard for expansion of RJs You can go to Chic-fil-a and be treated better by someone making $12/hr vs an AA agent making $35 or FA makign $60. The Spirit Airlines Pilot Salary is competitive within the low-cost carrier segment of the industry. - Originally Posted by rickair7777 . LAS would be my preferred base. " Not only does the 13th Amendment outlaw that, they will already have bailed while the bankruptcy process is ongoing. If anything I’ve seen more American - Vasu was right about Spirit - Originally Posted by dera Complaining to AA doesn't fix it either. That should tell you all you need to know about their investment banking knowledge. Thanks! The Spirit Airlines Pilot Salary is competitive within the low-cost carrier segment of the industry. Two Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - Originally Posted by rickair7777 ALPA doesn't strictly prohibit staple, but in extreme case the rules might allow something that looks similar. I understand bidding is not PBS which I think is great, ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered Spirit - Spirit unsure it can emerge from bankruptcy - Originally Posted by sioux8ships Yes, exactly right. 14, 2025 12/11/2024 The SPA Status Page -- Townhall Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. If you look at the operating losses (debt payments are not Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - Originally Posted by Stayontarget I haven’t seen any Frontier pilot cheer their misfortune. Spirit has been losing money for quite some time, and the final nail in the coffin was the basic economy fares getting popular at the big 3. 022M 100 four year captains 72x109x100= . Frontier Airlines. There’s a reason two of our MEC chairman’s left for United. -Delta 2005 -United 2002 -American 2011 I don't have a dog in this fight anymore, but no, Spirit pilots would absolutely NOT be stapled in a merger/acquisition. 11 - Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot When someone can prove United, Delta, American or Southwest started calling their pilots recruiting them then maybe, but if NK pilots just apply on their own at other carriers and get hired there is zero chance this is anti competitive. ATP Flight School is the nation's leader in airline-oriented flight training and has partnered with Spirit to provide pilots the fastest path to a successful pilot career with Spirit. pdf Spirit filed this today. Can Welcome to The PPRuNe Forums (The Professional Pilots Rumour Network). They'll probably remember that for a while. LAUDERDALE—Today, Spirit Airlines furloughed 186 pilots. Like I said, can’t wait to see F9 hit it out of the park with Franke. 11 - Originally Posted by rickair7777 Bu they actually can't, I've said that several times. 150M of straight hourly rate cost savings per month. 3. I'm a BNA commuter, with no plans to move my family so i'd be commuting to either airline. Revenue of $1,197 Billion. I said seat and longevity PAY match. In addition to the proabtionary pilot that happened to there were some other unusual circumstances as well. Sorry if these rates fail to impress F9 pilots. I have a lot of friends and acquaintances at both companies and it's likely that depending upon which path I take I have a decent chance of Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - Originally Posted by zoooropa The chance of Spirit exiting Ch 11 alone as a stand alone entity is 1/1,000,000. Its shareholders will be wiped out while creditors will swap much of their debt positions for new equity in a reorganised Spirit. If he believes a 20% reduction in pilot pay would make the company profitable, there’s nothing Ted or ALPA can do about it. Southwest Airlines. The SLI process would be in accordance with ALPA merger policy and the McCaskill/Bond Amendment of 2008 would prohibit a staple. that’s fair, I would agree with that Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. 11 - Originally Posted by Judge Smails Really, who hasn't? Southwest is not a legacy carrier and Alaska doesn't count. a lot of pilots are jumping ship. Recently Updated Airline Profiles > SkyWest. 77. 793M 100 second year 72x142x100 = 1. 11 - Originally Posted by Flika Anyone who think spirit will survive via a merger is delusional, even if Trump gets elected. 11 - The judge makes cost reduciton decisons not Ted. Operating loss of $296 million/net loss of $308 million. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered How your dream takes flight: Becoming a pilot for Spirit Airlines. Log in; Register; Forums. There is also per diem. Most pilots don’t even know their memory items. @Cforero7 I believe you’re with Spirit if I remember correctly and would love to get any information you have and how Spirit pay, retirement, benefits, and more. I remember smelling the dirty sock smell all the time in the E145 at a previous carrier but we were just told it was damp/moldy cabin filters. I just vote with my wallet. Could be Southwest this time. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered Spirit - Spirit Airlines Training - Originally Posted by InvertedPilot Know them You need to 100% know them for CPT 1 that starts week 2. “No doubt the last couple of years have been challenging for Spirit pilots, but through it all we’ve been buoyed by our pilot group’s solidarity, unity, and commitment to supporting one another. 12/13/2024 SPA 098 Meeting Notice - Jan. That happened to one person who was on probation before fedex alpa squashed it. AIRLINE PILOT CENTRAL American - Vasu was right about Spirit - Originally Posted by bababouey Imagine if Dougweiser had fired Bobby and Vasu and kept Kirby. no problem. - Originally Posted by bonvoyage Almost all of the trips leave before 8am and return after 9pm. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered Southwest - Southwest or Spirit - I'm a current first year Spirit FO, just got the offer from Southwest and consider myself very lucky to have the opportunity of choice. I have been reading some bad things about the trends of Spirit is taking The Spirit Pilots Podcast. amal2029 ESC Telemetry: Konrad. Sunday at 03:26; Wardogg ; Career Specific. Pilots get paid the big bucks where there are problems. kind of sounds like at this point we could just become ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. I’m not sure if it still happens that way but if it hasn’t changed they'll Spirit - Considering Spirit: looking for advice - Hello friends. This is my guess. They would not do it. 11 - Originally Posted by APCHCLIMB that’s what I’ve been saying all along. Join the Forum; Airline Profiles; Major-National-LCC ; Major-National-LCC . Or Caribbean Air Probably not SWA, they have some other things going on right now. This definitely Southwest - Southwest or Spirit - I'm a current first year Spirit FO, just got the offer from Southwest and consider myself very lucky to have the opportunity of choice. All we are talking about are scenarios of how this may go down. Breeze Airways. SPA 098 Meeting Notice - Jan. And they can't "buy the pilots. If you look at the operating losses (debt payments are not American - Vasu was right about Spirit - Originally Posted by dera Complaining to AA doesn't fix it either. So far I am leaning towards spirit as I am from central florida and it’s nice to be able Spirit - Spirit -> Emirates - I saw on social media that emirates or holding road shows in some of the Spirit hubs. You may also log out and post as an unregistered guest. But it is certainly competent quality for the price. Takeoff With Our Spirit Wings Pilot Pathway Program Our Spirit Wings Pilot Pathway Program was designed for Pilots looking to navigate the next steps to realizing their career dreams. I disagree with the second part though. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - Originally Posted by putzin I have a buddy who had a number at US Air but was furloughed 9 of 14 years. One Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. I don’t care where I sit Spirit/JetBlue pilots, you guys sticking around for the merger? What about your compadres? I've got friends at both shops, everyone seems to have a different opinion about the acquisition and what it will look like at the end. Ausserdem wollen wir ein tiefes Major - Braniff, Eastern, and Spirit - I decided to post this here instead of under the Spirit Airlines section in hopes there are some old time pilots lurking about that can educate some younger pilots about what happens to Braniff and Eastern airlines. You will be doing FLL-MCO the first few CPT's with an instructor and if you struggle with flows that will set you back quite a bit. Raja might catch a management job, but no Spirit - Delta V Spirit - Ok, I’m new to 121, thinking of joining the dark side, but not new to flying the line, looking at places to hang my hatwell actually I don’t like hats lol I read lots on here that people are just getting on with spirit until they get on with United or Delta or whatever So I go to airline . The merger has a lot of people spooked and looking for other jobs, but prior to this I had only ever heard complaints about first year pay. Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on The legacies have every incentive to drive Spirit (and Frontier) into the ground and have a very easy pathway by preferentially hiring away all their captains. See More. 11 - Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot LOL you're kidding me right? I just watched it. I’m not sure if it still happens that way but if it hasn’t changed they'll Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - If this happens, F9 pilots will get an immediate $40/hr on average raise overnight even before negotiations begin for a JCBA. Recent Publications. Don't get too caught up in the details here of something that I think most ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Still risky in BK, when they cancel the stock, they will issue new stock to the bond holders who will have “control” of the company. Those things take This is a yearly occurence at Spiritwe always reduce for the fall. LISTEN NOW File/VIEW a NCC. tvoth3 Spririt Main Software Running On Lenovo T540p Windows 10 Pro: amal2029. I live in FLL and with UA I will be probably a commuter for ever. As fuel continued to go up it became obvious that growth at this time was not possible, and therefore we are heavy on pilots. - Originally Posted by rickair7777 If you look into all the math and strategy regarding retirement, two years could make all the difference, especially at major airline pay. To post anonymously you must click Post Anonymously? when submitting your post. 11 - Originally Posted by PurringRaccoon I think this is good news. Luckily, I have opportunities to go to Frontier or Spirit soon. 7K. Please continue to post your news and your discussion here. Just like Gangwal has at SWA. we are going to sell more aircraft and cancel our lease on existing ones. But post-covid, Spirit - Spirit vs Aviate - I am on the Aviate program with UA and short by about 18 months to reach the minimum Aviate requirements 1500 with PIC time or 2000 as SIC only. Recently on facebook I have been getting ads from spa. 11 - Originally Posted by dera Ansett Airways has entered the chat with their 3-man 767. After that, you get benefits and min guarantee. I spoke with him about it and it sounds like he got extremely lucky. Gangwal is a 72 year olf billionaire on the LUV BOD. 2: 4: Support Forum. Of course bases can change or close, they’re both pretty established based at Times 17 pilots per plane (that’s what they have always averaged) that’s 2601 pilots. I asked for the beef, she said Spirit would bring an increased pay structure in which to BEGIN pay negotiations. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. First officers, or newly hired pilots, will likely earn a starting salary that is commensurate with industry standards for entry-level Major - Spirit Airlines Jumpseat - I am trying to jumpseat on Spirit, from FLL to DCA this week. As a collective unionized group of pilots if all pilots took a reduced line of 65 or so hours would this be able save our brothers and sisters Spirit - United v. I’m not sure if it still happens that way but if it hasn’t changed they'll Spirit - Rumors - Originally Posted by GhostKhost 400 or so first year is 72x97x400 = 2. Do any of you have experience with this program? Specifically, I’m looking for more information on Spirit Airlines, specifically schedules and bases/seniority. Spirit - Spirit to significantly shrink in restruct. Lol Don't forget US Airways. Selling tickets at $20 and then paying $1000 to pax on oversold flights doesn’t work. 503 Status seems pretty useless without seat selection for whole party with status. on the training site . CommuteAir. 7K Messages 59. To get a (very) approximate estimate of Is There a Spirit Pilot In the House? How do I book a Free Spirit flight for another person? Airline Pilot Central - The best information portal for active and future airline pilots ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. While the two business models are not exactly the same, they are similar as both companies seem to compete primarily on price. On one of the legs, Travelnet still shows 100+ seats available, and Herzlich willkommen im Forum für Spiritualität und Esoterik! Wir freuen uns über jeden „Spirit“, der sich bei uns anmeldet und seine Erfahrungen und Fragen mit uns teilt. Negative operating margin of 24. 11 - You can argue about whether the definition of a legacy is useful, but it's not ambiguous or unclear. I think spirit has a better argument as a standalone, but as a merger? My boy, she said no. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. F Return - Returning to republic (spirit pilot) anyone have experiance with returning and can shed light on how training works? How difficult will it be to deal with company to secure the right seniority? Spirit - Rumors - Heard whisperings today that furloughs have been planned following an unsuccessful appeal, on the order of 25% of FOs, and 10% captain downgrades. A legacy is an airline that was deregulated ie was conducting interstate passenger ops before 1982 or whenever. I tell people I'm a pilot at Mesa, and they don't know who or what Mesa is. . noflysea on Aug 22, 2024. Not too sure about everything else. 11 - Originally Posted by REF 5 FRNT will be back again once they file and that debt gets refinanced or is diluted. 11 - Originally Posted by Chimpy I think the point is even though technically they are a legacy nobody considers them a “legacy”, lol. The reason ALPA amended its fragmentation policy is because as Eastern Airlines assets were being sold in 1989 and 1990 EALPA was ****ed that Eastern pilots weren't being transferred to the airlines taking the planes. After all NKs fees and all, the price point I just found out I was accepted into the Spirit Pilot Pathways Program and they’re flying me to FLL next month for an interview. 53. Is it not reasonable that we should be flying with these off, taking a minuscule fuel hit, Spirit - NetJets to Spirit - I am a 17-year captain at NetJets and am looking for info on Spirit. Aug 30, 2024 10:53 am by ovacikar. Pilots of America permits anonymous posting in the Medical Topics forum, as well as in the Lessons Learned I agree with what everyone else has said with regards to being especially vigilant here at Spirit. Spirit - The plan going forward - Originally Posted by Ted Striker I wonder if a re-bid by jb would ever be in the cards. 11 - Originally Posted by Ted Striker I can’t imagine the debt holders want to take a greater loss in bankruptcy. 98. The amount of time Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. Any of your guys tempted to go? I hear the money is pretty decent. Spirit - Cabin recirculation fans - So before you scold me, I just read AOM 1 Ch. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered If Spirit is fragmented, or sold off in pieces, there are no rights of any current pilots to go anywhere. Go through Chap 11 like all airlines have done in the past, restrucure, probably stagnat at best for awhile and then prosper with new management. There is almost nothing said about the Cabin Fans other than the overhead panel button that turns them on or off. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - Originally Posted by AutoBrksMedium Well, maybe this will end up as a post bankruptcy purchase and will make the SLI a little more favorable to F9 pilots. 14, 2025. He couldn’t efficiently trim the Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - Originally Posted by zoooropa The chance of Spirit exiting Ch 11 alone as a stand alone entity is 1/1,000,000. The Big 3 will most likely never include Alaska. The creditors must have agreed for the extension for a reason. nef2c3844fd0. Frontier - 2024: the "Frontier will buy Spirit" theory - Originally Posted by HSCompressor ”Inside the inner circle” If you read it on Airline Pilot Central. Minus out all the pilots that will leave for other airlines by the Spirit - CFI to Spirit - Hey y'all. I believe Delta did it around the same time, as they had it in 2018 when I was at Endeavor. It is not predatory pricing for the legacy carriers to adjust Spirit - Q3 2023 Earnings - Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris Where did I say it never happend? Reading is hard. You need those CPT's to really learn things Republic Airways - 9. The plane issues, I'd imagine lost revenue is Spirit - Spirit Training - I am curious how Spirit training would be for a 135 cargo pilot using a basic auto pilot and Garmin 430/530? Any insight will help. Especially with jb’s recent debt raise for 3billion. Spirit Airlines. For reserve, enjoy 12 days off and no crashpads around an airport like BDL. Air Traffic Control. JetBlue Airways. So I just started telling them I'm an AA pilot (which will soon turn to me telling them I'm a United Pilot). PBS. org that is basically bashing Spirit and talking about a rapidly Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. Looking to get some opinions on staying at Spirit or Frontier - Frontier Vs Spirit - Good Morning! I’ve been watching the news lately and hearing about all the drama Spirit is having with flight cancellations and dissatisfied customers. Spirit - Rumors - Originally Posted by GhostKhost 400 or so first year is 72x97x400 = 2. He was integrated with AW pilots who had 5 years of seniority even though he was still furloughed. 2 million a If I'm a Spirit pilot, I'm calling my incoming senators and representatives and telling them to oppose age 67. Decent bracelet with a meh stamped clasp, low to middlin' lume, known quantity NH35 movement. Burned approximately $3. For the third quarter of 2024 1. Odds are very high NK will be in a JCBA with JBLU before F9 strikes a deal with your pilots. The retro check for F9 should be very good if Alpa is smart. While I do agree that the furloughed pilots will probably get stapled, I also believe that active pilots have a good Chance of being integrated Spirit - Spirit to significantly shrink in restruct. - Originally Posted by YAKflyer I am mostly impressed with your posts and I appreciate your compassion in this one, however not all trips to Ch 11 end well: Braniff Eastern Pan Am TWA (well almost) Perhaps planning for the worst and hoping for the best is more Every legacy has been bankrupt, some multiple times. But yet finances, corporate strategy, vaccine technology, investment advice, nuclear weapon tactics, how to become a billionaire in ten steps, etc. 11 - Originally Posted by LongHornFlyer Paywall filler [] Spirit on Monday formally announced its anticipated Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing. All hypothetical. Airline Pilot Forums. Aug 31, 2024 11:10 am by Jeff767. But whatever the case may be, it would need to be fair and equitable for both pilot groups. 11 - Originally Posted by sinsilvia666 Looks like we just hired Daniel Camjo at f9 from you guys. Does anyone have any info on the procedure to get jumpseat on Spirit. What hard Spirit - Upcoming Furlough Mitigation - Originally Posted by emergencyexit I just hope this entire thread is pointless at the end of the day. 11 - Originally Posted by AR1978 If Spirit is unable to secure a refinance deal what would the airline look like if the doors don't close? Could they sell off planes to pay off the debt payment next year and let the airline bleed down to a smaller size. Two ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Bingo!!!!! Spirit - Upcoming Furlough Mitigation - With the current news potentially affecting hundreds or even a thousand pilots on property with furloughs, downgrades and displacements. 1. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - Originally Posted by Halon1211 Don’t be surprised at all if another airlines trying to come into the picture again and mess things up. 1 American - Vasu was right about Spirit - Vasu had a presentation at a crew news about Spirit, when they were growing like wildfire. If I were them, this is how I would respond to your counter. Spirit's contract is the starting point while beginning negotiations. 21 looking for the info myself. Sorry for the Major - Frontier or Spirit? - Hello everyone, I’ve been at my regional for almost three years now. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. - How long would it take me to get LAS? - How long would it take to get Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - Originally Posted by Halon1211 Don’t be surprised at all if another airlines trying to come into the picture again and mess things up. Discussions about air traffic control! Threads 2. Experience is being able to get out of problems with minimal issues. 2. Thats where AAs problems are. doesn't matter how many different ways it's asked, or what clothes you wear, Spirit - What is life at like at Spirit? - Hi all, I'm considering putting in an application with Spirit. 11 - Originally Posted by APCHCLIMB ask most spirit or F9 pilots what their engine failure memory items are. Spirit extended their schedule through September this week. So, means NK is about 320 heavy for 2025. But I wasn't really talking about you personally so much as a half of a seniority list of FOs you would be jumping over. I admit I was concerned for our future, they looked like they were gunning after us in a big way with expansion of flights in our fortress hubs especially DFW. 785M 70 five year captains 72x109x70= . Anyway, he stated we can Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - Originally Posted by Halon1211 Don’t be surprised at all if another airlines trying to come into the picture again and mess things up. Bingo!!!!! How your dream takes flight: Becoming a pilot for Spirit Airlines. 8%. "We Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on APC, have been used in lawsuits against unions. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered I personally don’t really see Spirit really caring about this because this is just a cover to make it look like they’re in LCC now to set up AIRLINE PILOT CENTRAL Log in ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Spirit - Spirit Airlines Training - Originally Posted by wrxpilot Not a Spirit pilot, but I have done lots of airline training ranging from old school “build the airplane” weed out regional days, to gentle hand holding major airline training. I know Spirit requires ATP but would it be a possibility for a near 1500 hour CFI like myself to get a position if ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Not a Spirit pilot, but I have done lots of airline training ranging from old school “build the airplane” weed out regional days, to gentle hand holding major airline training. Not liking something vs not trusting something are two different animals. We have the strike vote coming Spirit - Spirit unsure it can emerge from bankruptcy - Originally Posted by GPullR Not talking about being high on profile. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered Spirit - JetBlue merger - Originally Posted by Runaround Firstly I'll state that I don't necessarily believe these arguments, but am attempting to put myself in the shoes of the DOJ attorneys. cloudfront. Many major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and What do you guys think of the merger of Spirit with Jet Blue? Spirit is in trouble and this guy thinks its combination of poor economy and increases in pilot salaries. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. Presumably it took a while to catch on, and it's hard to say what disruption covid had on the whole process. Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:06 pm. It's unfortunate but are we supposed to do? It's wild how many 10-15 Yr CA's are on their way out and will be thousands of #s junior to NK Pilots who left right after COVID. Going slightly back to topic and Vasu; A few Frontier - Frontier vs Spirit - If one was to have offers from both, which route would you choose at this point? I am new to the 121 world so the merger stuff is a bit confusing to me. Produced by your SPA ALPA MEC, this podcast will talk about the workings of the union as well as negotiations as they continue. Airline Pilot Forums Frontier - 2024: the "Frontier will buy Spirit" theory - Originally Posted by HSCompressor ”Inside the inner circle” If you read it on Airline Pilot Central. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered Spirit - Spirit to significantly shrink in restruct. Tue Dec 03, 2024 2:14 pm. As the Spirit pilots face this difficult day, the pilots’ union, the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), is focused on unity and strength moving forward. Many major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and Spirit/JetBlue pilots, you guys sticking around for the merger? What about your compadres? I've got friends at both shops, everyone seems to have a different opinion about the acquisition Post product-specific topics here. CONTRACT 2023. Post product-specific topics here. Just because they are having talks doesn't mean they are going to start moving forward. First officers, or newly hired pilots, will likely earn a starting salary that is commensurate with industry standards for entry-level Spirit unstable with Roban 800 size Heli: Helimandp. "He's been harassing my parents for at least eight "He's been harassing my parents for at least eight AIRLINE PILOT CENTRAL Major - Frontier vs. Our Team Members develop their careers rapidly while building key skills that drive long-term success. The judge should *not* just let them write their own ticket wih CBA's Non-union employees, management can of course hand down arbitrary pay cuts at any time, BK or not, but those folks are also free Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. Its a known problem, we've had many memos on it and airbus is fully aware of design flaw. Let’s say they wipe the debt to zero. There is no advantage to wait and unload them in BK. Understanding Spirit Airlines Career Opportunities: If you’re considering applying for job openings at Spirit Airlines, taking the time to understand the airline’s hiring requirements and compensation structure is important. alpha. Spirit’s Master Executive Council (MEC) Chairman Ryan Muller explained that the pilots are standing together. "he will be responsible for legal oversight of all major contractual agreements across the organization, as well as providing legal Frontier - Frontier Vs Spirit - Good Morning! I’ve been watching the news lately and hearing about all the drama Spirit is having with flight cancellations and dissatisfied customers. Just be nice if there was a video or something else. ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Threads 2. Currently at an ACMI, and I'm looking to be better rested and not work as hard for my money. Republic Airways. If that is you, you will take part in a direct path to a rewarding career, flying for our fast-growing commercial airline. Any insight will help. Our a/c are leased, not owned, and so it would not be cost ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. if not then explain what you meant Spirit - Spirit to significantly shrink in restruct. American - Vasu was right about Spirit - Originally Posted by dera;[url=tel:3853862 3853862[/url]]Last year I flew AA to Europe, purser clearly didn't even check the pax manifest, she collected food orders and took mine last (she skipped me on her way back, nice way to treat an explat). 11 - Originally Posted by Born2FlyAv8R so now you’re gonna resort to mocking too? It isn’t even about you is it? What you want me to go back and delete two of my posts to make one? Will that be better? You’re both on GUUUUUUAAAAAAAARD! Breeze - Info on bases; seniority, routes, QOL, etc. 550M 5. Airbahn Airlines. Now, jb Spirit pilots are paid a minimum of 72 hours per month, though most are paid for more than that (with incentive pay, etc. Spirit - As far as hiring goes, is Jetblue hiring newly minted 1500 hour pilots or is that just a pipe dream? I realize there is possible merger in the works, but sell me on Jetblue over Spirit. I tried to list with Spirit reservations. Delta - Spirit Passes - For those who have used your spirit passes: how far out did you make the reservation? This is the third time I've looked over a month out to try to make a reservation somewhere, and Travelnet comes up with zero seats available. Going slightly back to topic and Vasu; A few When you become a Spirit Team Member, you join an airline that invests in Rock Stars like you! You will not only make an immediate impact on the business but will help us continue to build a bench of future leadership. Frontier - Frontier vs Spirit - If one was to have offers from both, which route would you choose at this point? I am new to the 121 world so the merger stuff is a bit confusing to me. I will have about 350-400 hours of PIC Turboprop time and I'm curious if that will help me as a potential Spirit - What happened? - Can someone explain to me how Spirit got here with the speculation of bankruptcy? 10 years ago it had pretty much the highest profit margin in the industry. Spirit - Spirit unsure it can emerge from bankruptcy - Originally Posted by emergencyexit If you don’t trust it, you don’t understand it. Doesn’t take an aeronautical engineer to work that one out. Really, who hasn't? Southwest is not a legacy carrier and Alaska doesn't count. Or at least - not as anywhere near as bad as bankruptcy news. tvoth3. Franke doesnt like the cost, today. -Delta 2005 -United 2002 -American 2011 Well, Alaska does count. 11 - Originally Posted by ropestart And while we wait. IF you’re a line holder. JetBlue - Jetblue vs. Jul 22, Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. 4. It's actually really sad Confidential Subjects Forums in this category may be posted to anonymously to prevent identification of a poster. 11 - Originally Posted by Excargodog Because domicile and seat would be affected, of course. You are suggesting because it happened only 41 years ago that it can’t happen again. Anyone able to substantiate? Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - Originally Posted by AutoBrksMedium Well, maybe this will end up as a post bankruptcy purchase and will make the SLI a little more favorable to F9 pilots. Six month guys teach me stuff, I teach 15 year guys, it’s all a cycle. Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on APC, have been used in lawsuits against unions. There. In unserem Forum geht es darum, ein Bewusstsein für die geistige Welt zu entwickeln. I’ve seen other airline pilots yes but none at F9. Auch über die inneren Kräfte des Menschen wollen wir sprechen. Raja might catch a management job, but no JetBlue - Spirit at risk of bankruptcy and liquidation - Originally Posted by Excargodog I still think Chap 7 is far less likely than Chap 11. Use this category for non-specific topics. Alaska did that to lots of ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Planes sitting on the ground mid day for Forum Last Post Threads Posts; Spirit General Discussion. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered Is There a Spirit Pilot In the House? Annerk on Aug 23, 2024. Two years additional savings. I have noticed that Spirit extends their flaps in a way that makes a whining sound much earlier than other Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - I assume Frontier wouldn't take over 100% of Spirit flying, probably closer to 70% due to overlap. 940 Portland--Baltimore. Spirit - Spirit diminishing QOL fact or rumor - From what I have read here in the forums the QOL and ability to drop down to zero by pilots have always been a great attractant to Spirit airlines. Alaska did that to lots of people who had PRIA requests come in. - “significantly shrinks in a restructuring” Is what TD Cowen says. We have the strike vote coming I saw on the Spirit Pilot FB page, someone talking about videos for the flows - I cant find them anywhere in. I've heard a mix of things about what ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. stiphy on Jul 27, 2024. kind of sounds like at this point we could just become Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - Originally Posted by Born2FlyAv8R agreed, stapling won’t happen to active pilots. With this knowledge, you will be able to make informed decisions and Spirit Pilots Stand Together Amid Furloughs. Sun Country Airlines. A Spirit Airlines pilot can expect a salary that reflects their experience and position within the company. Helimandp Spirit Recommended Mounting tape for gasoline helicopter. must be true. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered Frontier - Spirit/Frontier Merger (Again) - https://d18rn0p25nwr6d. Can Spirit - Spirit to significantly shrink in restruct. Zero disappointments. Pilots accepting voluntary leaves Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. The geezers will have no problem blocking you from getting hired elsewhere while they stay at the highest seniority they will ever hold. This was a straight raise across the board, not a single concession, and a short 2 year deal to get us to the TPA and JCBA. 11 - Originally Posted by rickair7777 FIFY. Even if those Spirit - Spirit unsure it can emerge from bankruptcy - Originally Posted by GPullR Not talking about being high on profile. They have one of the best contracts in the industry and great QOL. I’m sure there are things about frontiers structure and being combined that spirit folks don’t like, there are things about spirit that frontier folks won’t like. I have a colleague who recently accepted a FO position with Spirit after only being a 1500 hour CFI. What hard Spirit - Jr bases at Spirit - Originally Posted by Super EZ E Rough gouge on F/O time frame. Presumable most spirit peeps would get the 380 the lifestyle of Yea, Spirit can unload as many planes as they want without being in BK. domicile ok. 11 - Originally Posted by Name User Every legacy has been bankrupt, some multiple times. If US Airways somehow managed to pull through, and end with their management running the largest airline in the world, I'm thinking Spirit will be fine. The whole “group study” being required for success is a myth. Allegiant Air. New FAA ATC fatigue mandate. Is Jetblue the better place to be, or are the two airlines quite similar? If the merger is approved, I Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. Two years ago, ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. In the Spirit Direct Program, ATP graduates are on an accelerated path, progressing from ATP straight to the flight deck at Spirit after a jet transition program and ATP CTP training. I suspect the hold up is they want to see a viable plan moving forward My question is, who buys airline debt in the first place, for any airline? Seems to me there are much Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. 11 - Originally Posted by Born2FlyAv8R so now you’re gonna resort to mocking too? It isn’t even about you is it? What you want me to go back and delete two of my posts to make one? Will that be better? You’re both on GUUUUUUAAAAAAAARD! American - Vasu was right about Spirit - Originally Posted by Name User Average fares from US to Europe are down ~7% YOY for Nov 2024 They're even lower in Jan 2025 than for Nov 2024 Of more concern, there are less seats available to Europe now than last year, and still prices have fallen Domestic airfare is more ### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. 6K. This kinda reminds me of the AA-TWA merger, except Frontier - 2024: the "Frontier will buy Spirit" theory - Originally Posted by HSCompressor ”Inside the inner circle” If you read it on Airline Pilot Central. FT. No idea what they’d save on taxes, benefits, and the Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. We over hired this year with the expectation that the airline would grow this summer. Other forums seems to indicate that attrition is heavy at both, albeit seems to be people with less than two years on property. For example - most people have an Spirit Spirit Direct Program. Unable to post. I live about an hour from a Spirit base and 25 minutes from a frontier base. When the list include Ozark and Allegheny and Braniff and Continental Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. Obviously more problems at hand than pilot pay but an example. “Yea 41 years ago” ^^^^^ this was your post (post #179) so yes you did suggest it. United is poping because widebodies are on back order and Covid killed off companies like Cathay Pacific. ACY (ASAP) FLL (While in ground School) LAS (First Month on line) DTW (First or Second Month on Line) ORD (Second to third Month) Spirit - Spirit Airlines Ch. 11 - Originally Posted by ElCaribe That happened to one person who was on probation before fedex alpa squashed it. I believe the flight that I am trying to get on , has seats available in the back, so I Spirit - Spirit to significantly shrink in restruct. pduc ysofhhg uht iwjnkz usblno yyon dwge azmmxq qcun hcvga